Abortion

[TamaMum]

Out of all the unwanted pregnancies in the world, even if there was only one woman out of the millions of pregnant women who found herself in the terribly sad and frightening situation where there was a severe risk to her life and a medical miscarriage would save her - I think she should have the right to choose if she lives or dies.

Pro-choice.

Anti-abortion but Pro-Choice.

 

[dazzilitchigirl]

In my opinion, abortion is not a good thing in any case except for when pregnancy might kill or cause harm to the mother. I think that if a woman was ***** and became pregnant as a result, the baby should be born but the woman should receive free (if it's not already free) hospital service and painkillers/anesthetic for childbirth, and the child should be adopted if its mother doesn't want it. However, in any other case the baby is its mother's responsibility and abortion should (in my view) definitely not be an option.

 

[Nazotchi25]

In my opinion, abortion is not a good thing in any case except for when pregnancy might kill or cause harm to the mother. I think that if a woman was ***** and became pregnant as a result, the baby should be born but the woman should receive free (if it's not already free) hospital service and painkillers/anesthetic for childbirth, and the child should be adopted if its mother doesn't want it. However, in any other case the baby is its mother's responsibility and abortion should (in my view) definitely not be an option.

Well hospital fees vary greatly from state to state, province to province or country to country

But yes, i know what you mean

 

[Amat Gotchi]

whether or not abortion is right, I think it should be permitted in all cases because otherwise people will have to give the reason for abortion when it is really the womans choice to make. If it is only allowed in certain cases then people will have to give their reason and prove it. If it is illegal there will be dangerous ilegal abortions.

So that is why I am pro-choice, not because abortion is necessarily right. It depends on the case, if that makes sense.

 

[Jokus]

Has any of you people here ever seen an abortion performed? It's a true horror story, and after watching I think very few people wants it allowed.

 

[Dizzie]

I am Pro-Choice, I believe people should have the option in cases of ****, or if the person is too young or simply too dumb to be a considerate and healthy parent. Yes many people say 'put them up for adoption' but you do not understand that most kids do not get adopted, they grow up and once they arnt a baby then get dumped into foster care, once they're 18 they are abandoned with zero help unless they've formed a lasting bond with their foster family (many do not) and many eventually become drug addicts, homeless, even prostitutes who are desperate to survive.

No I do not see abortion as a form of birthcontrol, anyone who considers it a form of birthcontrol should consider getting their tubes tied, because obviously they should not be having children.

 

[Stefan Bauwens]

No.

Abortion should never be allowed. If you don't want your baby(it is always your baby, no matter what), you could always let it get adopted or something.

Imagine you were that child. Your whole life just gone, because your parents chose for abortion.

If abortion in case of **** or another reason should be allowed, why then not when it's already born?

 

[dazzilitchigirl]

I think that having sex without bothering to use contraception then getting pregnant and asking for an abortion is just irresponsible. I think abortion should never be allowed in those cases and it is entirely the couple's "fault" the woman got pregnant. Ending a life over simply not being bothered to use contraception is wrong.

I also think that using contraception but something going wrong with it and getting pregnant is not entirely wrong. It's not anyone's fault if contraception goes wrong, as it does occasionally. I don't think abortion should be allowed in those cases unless the child's birth might mess up either the mother's or child's life.

In my opinion, if for any reason, contraception or not, the mother or child is at severe risk of harm or even death from pregnancy or childbirth, abortion should definitely be carried out. I think it is fairer to end the life of an unborn, unconscious baby than to end the life of an adult woman. Also, growing up without a mother isn't good for any child.

 

[LeaChaos]

I do not think an abortion should be performed on anyone UNLESS it's because of health issues.

I think it's horrible that anyone would even consider abortion if the reason is only that they didn't wear protection, or don't want a baby, or etc.

I personally think that they should just go through the pregnancy and put the baby up for adoption so a real loving family can adopt instead of aborting.

 

[Stefan Bauwens]

I think that death issues, are featured in the minority of abortions. Therefore I think it should be disallowed.

Also if I was a female and was pregnant and a doctor told me, I had to make a decision I would ask him to try his best to save me as well as the baby. So basically, let me give birth anyway. And if I die, so be it.

But I would rather give my own life than kill the baby.

I think abortion is a easy way out for doctors is these cases. But if it wouldn't be an option they would try a bit harder to save both.

 

[Kuribotchi]

I think abortion is a easy way out for doctors is these cases. But if it wouldn't be an option they would try a bit harder to save both.

No. I'm not trying to argue with you here but you cannot say "it wouldn't be an option they would try a bit harder to save both". You cannot blame the people that deliver babies, give important vaccinations and save people's lives.

 

[Famous Last Words.x]

I think something a lot of us are missing here is one of the biggest factors; childbirth. It is said to be one of the most painful things on Earth, and people are just throwing around the phrases 'just make her have the baby, and then put it up for adoption'. No. That's incredibly insensitive to both the mother and the child. For a woman, having a child can be the most emotional and painful time of their life, even the months leading up to it, and no woman should be put through that much pain if she doesn't want to be. It is not a selfish thing to not want to be in pain. and it's inconsiderate to think that it's as simple as 'just having the baby'.

And then you have the child. Someone mentioned before at the outcomes of giving it up for adoption.

Yes many people say 'put them up for adoption' but you do not understand that most kids do not get adopted, they grow up and once they arnt a baby then get dumped into foster care, once they're 18 they are abandoned with zero help unless they've formed a lasting bond with their foster family (many do not) and many eventually become drug addicts, homeless, even prostitutes who are desperate to survive.

Adoption isn't a realistic, or even a reliable solution to unwanted babies. Say if everyone who didn't want to have their baby put them up for adoption, there are now thousands to millions of parentless kids, some left on the street to fend for themselves, others stealing, others lying dead in the gutter, and the rest of them being stuffed into foster homes and orphanages, where some lead unhappy lives and as aforementioned, could turn to a life of crime.

It isn't as black and white as 'just make her have the baby and put the child up for adoption'. It's important to let women retain their rights to do what they want with their body.

/. Also, I just want to stress and reiterate the fact that being 'Pro-Choice' doesn't mean 'Pro-Murder'. It means letting the woman have the right to choose what she feels is the right thing to do in her situation. It isn't anyone elses decision, just her and the concerned parties, like their consensual partner, and maybe family.

 

[Stefan Bauwens]

If you don't want the pain, don't have sex. The pain is a consequence you need to take into account.

Therefore it is selfish if you see it that way.

I think if they would forbid sex before marriage, it would help this problem a big step forward. This way, you'll only get a child once you're on a mature age and are able to take care of the baby together with your husband.

****, on the other hand, is a different matter. However, the baby doesn't have to pay for the wrongdoing of the man. If you are not able to take care of your child. I think a real friend, or a normal family member should gladly want to help you out with taking care.

If you look at these options, don't they look a lot better than the murder-option(for that is what it is)?

I think, and apparently every mother thinks so too, that the pain is worth it.

 

[Kuribotchi]

If you don't want the pain, don't have sex. The pain is a consequence you need to take into account.

In this time and age we do not use pain as a consequence. And it's not as simple as "don't have sex".

 

[Puffy Snivy]

I'd choose pro-choice.

I have a friend.

He once was going to have a brother.

But his mother couldn't do it do toa miscarriage.

She had to have an abortion, and she did.

So it was either sad friend with no brother or very sad friend with dead mum.

If it was me i'D have an abortion.

I wouldn't want to have 2 people die.

 

[Kuribotchi]

If you are saying that you are Pro-Life because it is murder, wouldn't mean that the two hundred million sperm that don't make it to the female's egg are all murdered by the female's system? A fetus is just as alive as a sperm. Also, you probably step on hundreds of living things that are in a higher living state then a fetus in your lifetime just with your shoe by accident.

 

[Stefan Bauwens]

There is a significant difference between an animal and a human. No, it's not murder if all the rest of the sperm dies, since there's anyway no chance for it to become anything.

However, like Puffy Snivy said. I must agree that if both ate guarenteed going to die, I would try to save the mother. But I hardly can call that abortion,

Therefore I consider myself still pro-life.

 

[Tbonesam]

There is a significant difference between an animal and a human. No, it's not murder if all the rest of the sperm dies, since there's anyway no chance for it to become anything.

However, like Puffy Snivy said. I must agree that if both ate guarenteed going to die, I would try to save the mother. But I hardly can call that abortion,

Therefore I consider myself still pro-life.

No, humans are mammals. Mammals are animals. Humans = Animals. There is zero difference, and the fetus isn't considered a HUMAN yet. It's not recognized by the government as a human, so why should we think the opposite? I mean sure abortion is horrible, but I'm still pro-choice because I don't force my own opinions on others.

 

[Stefan Bauwens]

No, humans are mammals. Mammals are animals. Humans = Animals. There is zero difference, and the fetus isn't considered a HUMAN yet. It's not recognized by the government as a human, so why should we think the opposite? I mean sure abortion is horrible, but I'm still pro-choice because I don't force my own opinions on others.

I'm pro-life since I don't want anybody deciding for the life of somebody else.

And since you gave that ridiculous argument, since it is ridiculous(mammals are not animals, but vice versa): idiots=humans. humans=everybody on the planet. idiots=everybody on the planet.

Seriously.

 

[TamaMum]

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Also if I was a female and was pregnant and a doctor told me, I had to make a decision I would ask him to try his best to save me as well as the baby. So basically, let me give birth anyway. And if I die, so be it.

But I would rather give my own life than kill the baby.

That's Pro-Choice. You would be able to ask the doctor to do that.

It is your request based on your belief and with Pro-Choice your wish would be respected.

With Pro-Life you would not be consulted.

The state would make the decision (not you, not a doctor, not God).

I think abortion is a easy way out for doctors is these cases. But if it wouldn't be an option they would try a bit harder to save both.

I think that's a pretty harsh assumption about Doctors. Every physician takes the Hippocratic Oath which is a basic remit to do their very best to save life - every life.

In this kind of situation you describe your Doctor would already be doing his (or her) best to save your life as well as the baby's life - they try their hardest in every single case, every time - that is their vocation and their oath.

I'm pro-life since I don't want anybody deciding for the life of somebody else.

I beg your pardon, but don't you think that's what Pro-Life is doing?

Aren't they are deciding for the life of somebody else?

I totally respect their belief and their personal decisions but I don't understand why they think they have the right to decide for the life of somebody else.