Suicide

[Box]

I'm well aware that words can hurt and that people are affected by the things others say, but a part of me still thinks you'd probably have to be a moron to kill yourself over what someone said on the Internet.

What are other reasons people commit suicide? Do you see suicide as quitting the game that is life? Or do you see it as a way out for a person who supposedly has nothing good coming for the rest of their life?

*braces for your pitchforks and torches* Come at me, bro! Let's have a well-thought-out and rational discussion about suicide.

 

[Minecraft Addict]

I well agree with your first statement. Actually, my ex-girlfriend was rather quite like this (Thank goodness she changed since then).
I never have thought of doing anything like this. In my opinion, suicide is the quitter's way out. (Quitter may be substituted with coward or weak, etc.)
Stuff always gets better if you try to make it better.

 

[Rosaria]

I understand why someone would want to take their own life. Although, a lot of people kill themselves before even reaching out and trying to get help. Like, they won't talk to anyone about their suicidal thoughts, they won't try seeing a counselor or anything. I also understand that asking for help when you need it can be hard, but it may just save your life.

Also, I think if someone kills themselves over words, or something said on the internet, they're weak. That sounds awful, but if you really let words effect you that much, you honestly need to remember that they're just words, and they can't physically harm you in any way.

I don't endorse suicide necessarily, but I have no control over someone's life decisions. Just remember, their is almost always a way to fix what is going on in your life.

 

[ciara683]

Seeing as I'm someone who suffers from sever depression.

Suicide is no ones buisness. who are you to sit there and call someone weak?

Yeah killing yourself of someone teasing you on the internet is extreme but there are lots of other reasons.

Take myself for example. I;m broke, I've been homeless. My family literally abandoned me, I haven't had a job in a year. I just lost my Great grandmother. then my grandmother.

Last week I lost my sister, and sometime in the next 6 months im going to lose my dad.

I'm so broke that I cant afford the dental surgery I need so my molars are literally rotting in my mouth and is causing me sever pain.

I'm soo broke that I literally get to eat ramen noodles everyday. which is making me fat.

which gains a lot of health problems on its own.

Im an emotinal wreck and im literally losing everyone around me.

I have no money, no help, no friends, no family. no one to lean on. no one to talk to and am literally dieing physcally and mentally.

I have every right to kill myself even if all this stuff wasn't happening to me.

I was forced ino an abortion at 15 so theres that too eating away at me for the last 6 years.

No one has the right to force anyone to live if they don't want to.

No one has the right to talk down to someone or JUDGE them for their decision.

dont say "oh theres help out there for you" or "people care"

you need money for help, you need money for meds. you need money for everything

its not as simple as being weak. its when you have no options.

if you understood depression in the slightest maybe you'd understand better.

Heres a pretty good video on it:

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[Rosaria]

Trust me Ciara, I've dealt with Depression, too. I know what it feels like. Although, there is help that doesn't require money. There are free counselors. I'm aware that life can really suck, but like I said, their are almost always ways to fix what is happening. I never once stated that you didn't have the right to end your own life. I just feel like people need to at least try and look for help. Even if you don't have friends or family to talk to, or money to pay for counseling, their is always someone that would be willing to help you.

So, I do understand depression. I don't know. I guess I just handle stuff differently than you. Sorry if I offended you in any way.

Also, adding on to what I said, their are free healthcare programs and welfare programs in canada. Their is goverment assisted house programs in Canada, too. They may take a while to actually receive, but they will help you out, or at least help you get back on your feet.

Nothing is going to change if you constantly have a negative outlook on life.

 

[oddsandendswithlove]

I see what your saying Ciara, and life is NOT easy in any way, shape , or form.. but let me tell you, everyone has a life story and everyone has gone through some really tuff times in life, and if someone hasn't at that point in their lives, then its just because it hasn't happened yet... but that is no reason what so ever to do something so derastic as this topic at hand... I have come from a EXTREMELY abusive upbringing, I have had my own mother stab with a steak knife. ive been homeless three times in my young life. I was addicted to drugs and alcohol, I didn't give a crap about myself in any way. and I lost both grandmothers and grand fathers. I even watched my best friend convulsing in front of me and die from a drug over dose... all of this happened before I was 17 years old... my mother was in the kindest words possible "not a very good person" ...she constantly abused my three sisters and I.. I was the oldest of the four of us and always took the blunt of it so she wouldn't hurt them.. I raised those girls myself.. I started at the age of 8 years old. I would be the one getting up with them in the middle of the night because she would leave them screaming in their cribs by themselves while she passed out from her prescription drug abuse....

and this is just a preview... I refuse to tell the whole story to even my husband of 6 years because I am so ashamed of my past and upbringing... so when I was all alone sleeping on a park bench and had NO food and NO one to ever help me, instead of thinking about killing myself I stood up and decided I was going to make something of my life...

so here I am at the age of 24, I quite drugs and alcohol on my own, no rehab no help.. which was hell in itself. I went to school starved for a while , as it was happening... then working odd jobs everywhere, and never stopping, I was eventually able to get off the street and was in a boarding house for a while.. I then graduated from school after a huge struggle...then I picked up and moved away. got a job after one hell of a time and never looked back, now I have a husband two kids, a career a home to call my own and a wonderful life...

so sometimes it doesn't matter what you have at that very moment, its what you could do with it.. no matter what you can change things! it just depends on how hard you are willing to try..

and as for the depression hunni I understand how it feels cause I am on anxiety and panic attack meds, and had struggled with it my whole life. but I was way too stubborn to let life beat me down <3

 

[ciara683]

I'm not saying im going to kill myself, and I wont lie IT has been attempted before.

I just find this discussion offensive when people are just sitting her calling people weak.

everyone is different, everyone handles life different and we have no right to call someone weak for their actions.

Thank you odds.

I also struggled with drugs and because of it my memory is shot :/

I lost a few years of my life because I cant remember any of it. not to mention my memory now is awful that i cant remember what i was doing a week ago

I never got to finish high school and was abused by terrible relationships. people getting me into things I shouldn't.

Grew up on my own as well. alcoholic mother who popped out kids just for more welfare for booze.

the stories ive been told about my mother are terrible. let me run around outside in the winter with a dirty diaper and other horrors

I was forced to grow up way to fast because I had 2 younger brothers to take care of as she wasn't home or passed out drunk.

she lit our kitchen on fire once because she though cooking drunk was good then go to sleep and forget about ti.

Didnt have any friends during school because I got to reek like cigarettes becasue my mother chain smoked in the house.

we were also very poor so I had 2 changes of clothing, no one wants to hangout with the poor kid.

by 9th grade she kicked me out of the house. Havent been able to finish grade 11 and 12 becasue ive had to work full time hours just to make eends meet.

Without my current bf id be dead in a gutter somewhere...

Things do get better and I get that but its hard and it isnt fair to call anyon weak.

notsaying anyones calling me weak..

 

[nerdbot]

Also, I think if someone kills themselves over words, or something said on the internet, they're weak. That sounds awful, but if you really let words effect you that much, you honestly need to remember that they're just words, and they can't physically harm you in any way.

I'm well aware that words can hurt and that people are affected by the things others say, but a part of me still thinks you'd probably have to be a moron to kill yourself over what someone said on the Internet.

In my opinion, suicide is the quitter's way out. (Quitter may be substituted with coward or weak, etc.)

I know these are your opinions, and I respect that. But ouch! Those statements reaaally hurt. I think you could say that with a little more tact, because it's incredible disrespectful for anyone who have endured pain and have considered suicide.

Suicide is a serious issue, and pointing fingers at the victim is not the solution whatsoever! I assume that some of you are referring to cyberbullying when you refer to words said over the internet. Day by day, cyberbullying is becoming a serious issue. With the advance and wide spread of technologies, it has become increasingly difficult to track the source, and yes, sometimes it can be unbearable knowing that there is someone who is treating another with hostility. News nowadays can spread like wildfire, and therefore, so can a made up negative rumour about someone else.

People who unfortunately have turned to suicide are not weak. They did not receive the right support, which is a real shame. Growing up is tough, and cyberbullying is just another stress to endure. People can say some really bitter things over the internet, and sending anonymous messages can show the darkness that's within them. It's all because they have the guise to hide behind a username and a computer screen. I disagree that what people say online are just words. Sometimes anonymous messages are real, and you can take them as a threat. I realize in that case it may be a bit extreme, but things like that have happened before.

Furthermore, not everyone can readily get support from people. Although it may be as simple as telling someone that "[i'm] not okay", not everyone knows what to do when someone discloses very important and personal matters. Some people don't know how to react, or they give very bad advice. This may make people to withdraw and isolate themselves from others for two reasons: 1) They don't want to burden others with their own problems 2) They want to cover up their perceived inadequacies. It pains me to think that people take their lives over a temporary problem.

Please remember that insults can stick with you forever. A negative thing said can be carried on all the way to adulthood and affect your own esteem. Those who take themselves are not weak. But in itself it is a tragedy that they have.

 

[The Ultimate Doomer]

It is wrong, period. And insults mean nothing to me, so they should mean nothing to you. That's all I have to say here. ^_^

 

[Rosaria]

I honestly don't understand how cyberbullying is even real. Is it that difficult to block the person that is "bullying" you? I guess I don't understand how the words of someone who is too scared to even insult the person in person can effect someone so badly that they would want to kill themselves.

 

[The Ultimate Doomer]

I honestly don't understand how cyberbullying is even real. Is it that difficult to block the person that is "bullying" you?

You're right. How is cyberbullying...bullying? All you have to do is block person, or close tab, or whatever just like that.

 

[nerdbot]

DOUBLE POST. Sorry.

 

[nerdbot]

I honestly don't understand how cyberbullying is even real. Is it that difficult to block the person that is "bullying" you? I guess I don't understand how the words of someone who is too scared to even insult the person in person can effect someone so badly that they would want to kill themselves.

How do you block anonymous messages? Sure, you can turn off receiving messages altogether, but that isn't always the case. Not all platforms have that ability to do so. How easy is it to obtain another account on the internet? Sign-ups take place within seconds.

I'm glad that you have a high enough self-esteem to just shake off bullying, but some people cannot. Unfortunately we live in a world full of judgement. There is no way to escape that.

Anyway, this topic is about suicide. Please, let us remain on topic. I will create another topic regarding the implications of bullying.

 

[Yoggs]

It is wrong, period. And insults mean nothing to me, so they should mean nothing to you. That's all I have to say here. ^_^

"Sticks and stones may break my bones...

But names will leave me scarred as I think less and less of myself every day to near breaking point."

I can shake off insults easily, but not when they pile on and on over time.

Anyway, back onto the topic at hand. Suicide is a very sensitive topic and personally I believe it is their choice. Though it may not be the best choice, if that person thinks it is their time, so be it. And there isn't always help for people going through depression, it's just not possible.

 

[TamaMum]

TamaTalk site rule #10 :

10. Please no thread about death, dying, cancer, suicide etc. We do care but TamaTalk is not the place to post them.

These types of threads are banned for a reason. It's something everyone relates to at some personal level and it simply encourages negative judgemental behaviour towards others or posts that could be defined as attention seeking.

Let's not go there please - even in the Seriously Non TamaTalk forum area.

Thanks.

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